The Stronger Podcast
Conversations to Build Stronger, More Equitable Organizations
The Stronger Podcast brings you insightful conversations with education leaders, innovators, and practitioners who are creating more equitable, sustainable, and high-performing schools and organizations.
Each episode turns real-world challenges into actionable strategies—so you can lead with clarity, build stronger systems, and elevate your impact.
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Episode 32 – Stop Chasing Innovation in Education: Why Relationships and Retention Are What Actually Work with Erik Greenberg
Education leader Erik Greenberg never planned to work in schools. Now, as CEO of Academies of Math and Science, he argues that the answer to America’s education problem is not innovation. It is relationships, retention, and the slow work of building community schools in the neighborhoods that need them most.
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In this episode of The Stronger Podcast, Mike Montoya sits down with Erik, CEO of Academies of Math and Science, to talk about why a STEM charter network serving low-income and immigrant communities has staked everything on teaching math and reading better than anyone else.
Erik grew up in Colorado Springs with a built-in math tutor for a dad and teachers he still talks to in his forties. He fell backward into education after an international business degree, spent more than a decade in higher ed and early education, and only in the last few years came to see how unevenly opportunity is handed out. That realization became the thing that drives him.
He and Mike get into why education has barely changed in centuries, why the research keeps pointing back to one enduring teacher relationship, and why a kid’s third year in the same school produces a jump in growth even when nothing else changes. Erik makes the case that school choice, for all its benefits, can quietly erode the community a school is supposed to be.
Listen in for a candid conversation about high expectations, never-ending work, and why the most ambitious thing a school can build is a place where people belong.
Recent Episodes
Episode 1 – From Tokyo Classrooms to Oakland Streets: The Future of School – with Rich Harrison
From Osaka to Oakland, Rich Harrison’s journey bridges continents and classrooms, revealing how one educator’s global upbringing shaped his vision for more equitable, community-rooted public schools.
Episode 2 – Redefining the Ladder: From Corporate Climb to Classroom Change – with Helen Chan
From corporate consultant to education changemaker, Helen Chan shares her journey of transforming disillusionment into purpose, using her talent expertise to build joyful, equitable schools where both children and adults can thrive.
Episode 3 – How Community Saved Me: Identity, Loss, and Becoming a Leader – with Kat Ling
From rural classrooms to leading a mission-driven nonprofit, Kat Ling shares her journey of transforming education and leadership, cultivating inclusive communities, and empowering leaders to innovate youth most on the margins.
Episode 4 - Transforming Education: Giving Every Student Real Choices and Career Confidence – with Daniel Gray
From charting pathways for thousands of students to reimagining what true opportunity looks like, Daniel Gray shares a blueprint for reshaping how young people discover their futures with clarity and confidence.
Episode 5 - Equity Isn't Optional: Calling Out Broken Systems – with Jessica de Barros
From first-grade helper to transformative education leader, Clarisse Mendoza Davis shares her journey of serving underserved youth and reshaping early childhood and alternative education with compassion, vision, and equity at the core.
Episode 6 - The Kindergarten Lie: How We Miss Kids Long Before High School – with Clarisse Mendoza Davis
From Seattle classrooms to federal policy halls, Jessica de Barros shares her journey of championing equity in education, showing how a lifelong commitment to access and opportunity can reshape communities and systems.
Episode 7 - Purpose Shouldn't Mean Poverty: Rethinking Service, Wealth, and Leadership – with Sharhonda Bossier
From Watts to leading a national education movement, Sharhonda Bossier shares her journey of championing educational equity and economic mobility for young people of color while redefining leadership with purpose and authenticity.
Episode 8 - Test Scores Aren't the Whole Story: Rethinking Accountability and Impact – with Cathy Jones
From educator to nonprofit leader, Cathy shares her journey of transforming education and community engagement, helping Bexar County’s youth access post-secondary opportunities while empowering women leaders and cultivating meaningful partnerships.
Episode 9 - Schools Weren't Built for Us: Reimagining Education From the Community Up – with Malka Borrego
From reimagining neighborhood schools to coaching leaders through liberation and change, Malka Borrego shares how authenticity, proximity to community, and systems-level leadership can transform education and the people within it.
Episode 10 - Unlocking Parent Power: How Families Can Democratize Educational Equity– with Michelle Vilchez
From community organizer to education equity leader, Michelle Vilchez shares her journey of empowering parents and transforming schools, helping families of color advocate for meaningful educational change while addressing systemic disparities across California.
Episode 11 - The Power of Stability: Why Retaining School Leaders Will Shape the Future of Education– with Mike Montoya
The Stronger Podcast host, Mike Montoya, looks ahead to the future of school leadership, unpacking why the next hiring cycles will define whether schools stabilize or continue to struggle with turnover and burnout.
Episode 12 - Leveraging Life Experiences: Behind a Career in Youth Opportunity and Equity– with Mike Montoya
From a childhood shaped by instability to a career dedicated to building pathways of opportunity, The Stronger Podcast host, Mike Montoya, shares how resilience, education, and supportive adults can change the trajectory of a life and an entire generation.
Episode 13 - The Shiny New Penny Problem: Data-Driven Courage for Lasting School Change – with Kelli Marshal
From sixth-grade math teacher to superintendent to leadership coach — Kelli Marshall shares how data-driven courage, deep relationships, and a clear “why” can transform schools and the people who lead them.
Episode 14 - Mergers Aren't Failures: Protecting Impact Through Trust and Strategy – with Jessica Sutter
From Bronx roots to shaping the future of public education: Jessica Sutter shares how a life grounded in service, trust, and intellectual rigor led her from the classroom to national education policy and consulting. Jessica is an education leader and consultant based in Washington, D.C., whose career spans teaching, charter school leadership, policy, and research.
Episode 15 - From Lifelong Immigrants to Education CEO: Leading Wth Compassion For Multilingual Learners – with Dr. Daniel Velasco
From lifelong immigrant to education equity leader, Daniel Velasco shares how identity, resilience, and compassion shaped his journey to becoming President and CEO of Ensemble Learning and a national voice for multilingual learners.
Episode 16 - Breaking the Mobility Trap: Aligning Partners Around Cradle-to-Career Outcomes – with Bill Crim
What if the promise that each generation will do better than the last is slipping away? In this episode of The Stronger Podcast, Mike Montoya talks with Bill Crim, CEO of United Way of Salt Lake and Utah’s Promise, about economic mobility and what it really takes to align communities around cradle to career outcomes.
Episode 17 - From Immigrant Roots to Leading a Charter Network Through Complexity – with Shara Hegde
From Boston to East San Jose, Shara Hegde shares her journey from Ivy League graduate to CEO of Alpha Public Schools and what it takes to lead charter schools through political and organizational complexity. Raised between the United States and India, Shara reflects on how her immigrant family background shaped her commitment to education equity and first-generation college access.
Episode 18 - From Helicopters to School: Leadership Lessons from James Willcox
From Army Blackhawk pilot to transformative education leader, James Willcox shares how a life grounded in service and family shaped his path to reshaping K-12 education nationwide.
Episode 19 - Finding Opportunity Through Relationships: From Immigrant Roots To Talent Leadership with Ron Rapatalo
What happens when the path your family imagined for you isn’t the one you’re meant to follow? From being the son of Filipino immigrants in Brooklyn to a leader shaping talent and social impact across education, Ron Rapatalo shares a powerful story about resilience, purpose, and the relationships that shape our lives.
Episode 20 - What Curiosity Teaches Us About Leading Schools with Joanna Belcher
From teaching fourth grade in Compton to founding a KIPP elementary school in Newark, Joanna Belcher has spent her career building schools and supporting leaders who believe every student deserves opportunity.
Episode 21 - Stop Chasing The New: How Consistency Builds Charter Schools That Last with Scott Hindman
Charter school leader Scott Hindman went from minor league baseball to investment banking to building one of New Mexico's most impactful public education networks. The lesson he keeps coming back to: find great people, give them the runway to lead, and play the long game
Episode 22 - Schools As Love Letters: Identities, Boldness, and the False Binaries Holding Education Back with Tricia Noyola
Tricia Noyola is a charter school leader, Regional Superintendent at the KIPP Foundation, and former CEO of Rocky Mountain Prep who builds schools as love letters to the communities they serve.
Episode 23 - We're Preparing Kids for the Wrong World: Economic Mobility, Coalition Building, and Long Game in Public Education with David W. James, Ed.D
Former Akron Public Schools superintendent Dr. David W. James never planned to work in education. He started at NASA, moved into environmental consulting, and ended up leading a school district for 13 years by accident.
Episode 24 -Stop Grinding and Start Sustaining: What Education Leaders Actually Need to Last with Vanessa Rodriguez
Vanessa Rodriguez, Executive Vice President of People at the Pahara Institute at Lone Rock, has spent her career building systems that give young people a fair shot, from District 79 in New York City to a national fellowship designed to keep education leaders in the work longer.
Episode 25 - Nothing Goes to Waste Unless You Decide It Does: Cradle to Career Work, Coalition Building, and Spartanburg's Long Game with Keisha Gray
Keisha Gray sits down with Mike Montoya to make the case that cross sector collaboration is not a value statement, it is a muscle communities build out of necessity. And that operational excellence is how missions actually survive.
Episode 26 - Succession Is A Verb: Why Building Leaders To Outlast You Is The Real CEO Job with Marcia Aaron
Marcia Aaron leads Charter School Growth Fund's investments across Texas, Arizona, Idaho, and Utah, and before that, she spent thirteen years building KIPP SoCal Public Schools from two schools to twenty-two as its founding CEO.
Episode 27 - Vision Is Not Enough: How CEO And COO Scale A National Nonprofit Together with Vincent Marigna and Alex Serna
Scaling a 48-year-old national nonprofit takes more than vision. It takes a CEO and COO who trust each other enough to move fast in ambiguity.
Episode 28 - Belonging Is Not A Side Issue: The Charter School Coalition That Can Still Say "Diversity" with Sonia Park
Charter school leader Sonia Park spent her childhood as one of the only kids of color in suburban Philadelphia schools, then watched her own son experience the same othering thirty years later in New York City. She runs the Diverse Charter Schools Coalition because belonging is not a side issue. It is the thing that determines whether kids can thrive.
Episode 29 - Proving School Can Get Better At Scale: Doubling Teacher Planning Time and Leading on Equity with Catherine Suitor
Catherine Suitor has spent two decades proving that schools can get better at scale, and she has the data to back it up.
Episode 30 - Make the Exception The Rule: Why Strong School Boards Decides Who Gets Opportunity with Ethan Ashley
Ethan Ashley got handcuffed at a police precinct at age six for stealing a pack of gum. He went on to finish high school at sixteen, earn a law degree from Howard by twenty-two, win an elected school board seat, and build a national organization that trains the people deciding what happens in your kid's classroom. His throughline: his story should have been the rule, not the exception.
Episode 31 - From Classroom To Movement: How Dominique Lee Is Reshaping Education
From classroom teacher to founder of a cradle to career movement, Dominique Lee built the BRICK Education Network in Newark to do what schools alone never could: support a child and their family from before birth all the way through a career.
Episode 32 - Stop Chasing Innovation in Education: Why Relationships and Retentions Are What Actually Work with Erik Greenberg
Education leader Erik Greenberg never planned to work in schools. Now, as CEO of Academies of Math and Science, he argues that the answer to America's education problem is not innovation. It is relationships, retention, and the slow work of building community schools in the neighborhoods that need them most.
Meet Your Host
Mike is the CEO and founder of Stronger Consulting. A 26-year education sector veteran, Mike is an expert in helping organizations design, manage and improve educational programs for young people. He has extensive experience recruiting, coaching, and supporting senior leaders in schools, school systems, and education non-profit organizations.
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The Stronger Podcast is produced by Stronger Consulting, a mission-driven firm partnering with schools, networks, and nonprofits to build stronger, more equitable organizations.
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